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ребята просвятите тёмного. на айте у них есть 2 разновидности шкивов я standart belt layout - ultra s (underdrive) и ultra sc (stock diam)
http://www.unorthodoxracing.com/Merchan ... y_Code=CRV
так вот у меня вопрос - ultra sc это я так понимаю полный аналог сотоковой только облегчённый, а вот что скрывается за названием ultra s underdrive? кто-нить может просвятить?
http://www.unorthodoxracing.com/Merchan ... crvultraSc
ultra sc underdrive
http://www.unorthodoxracing.com/Merchan ... =crvultraS
ultra s stock diam
http://www.unorthodoxracing.com/Merchan ... y_Code=CRV
так вот у меня вопрос - ultra sc это я так понимаю полный аналог сотоковой только облегчённый, а вот что скрывается за названием ultra s underdrive? кто-нить может просвятить?
http://www.unorthodoxracing.com/Merchan ... crvultraSc
ultra sc underdrive
http://www.unorthodoxracing.com/Merchan ... =crvultraS
ultra s stock diam
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ребята спасибо сам всё догнал. просто внимательнее надо быть. вот ещё вопрос. там есть такой шкив который позволяет только генератор на него подцепить. кондей и гур сбриваются. как думаете что будет если просто тупо оставить насос гура висеть но на него ремень не вешать? всё будет нормально работать но без гура? или хана придёт всему? как это всё скажется на рулении ведь гуйка то изначально с гуром а станет ка кбы без гура.
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Херово станет рейке... Гуровской... нада делать вот эту хрень:QB21 писал(а):ребята спасибо сам всё догнал. просто внимательнее надо быть. вот ещё вопрос. там есть такой шкив который позволяет только генератор на него подцепить. кондей и гур сбриваются. как думаете что будет если просто тупо оставить насос гура висеть но на него ремень не вешать? всё будет нормально работать но без гура? или хана придёт всему? как это всё скажется на рулении ведь гуйка то изначально с гуром а станет ка кбы без гура.
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"Will Unorthodox Racing lightened pulleys cause an oil pump failure?"
Urban myths have been floating around about Honda oil pumps failing by using an Unorthodox Racing crank pulley/s. The real fact is that these OEM pumps have been failing with AND WITHOUT the use of our pulleys and before our crank pulley/s were available on the market. Also note that these failures are few and far in between.
The Acura/Honda oil pumps are excellent units, but there are a number of reasons for the failures that do occur.
Most of the oil pump failures have been in Acura/Honda B series 1.6/1.8L applications. The Mazda 1.6/1.8L applications have seen a few failures, as well as the new Ford Focus ZETEC in race vehicles. Again, note that on all these applications the oil pump failures have occurred on engines not using our pulley, using the stock crank pulley.
These pump failures can be linked to the following causes. These causes may act individually or in combination to cause the actual failures:
The gears used in many pumps including those in the Honda B series engines and Mazda Miata engines are of a low-cost powdered metal composition. The factory uses this metal because of its acceptable cost-to-strength ratio. The problem is, these parts are not always deburred properly from the factory and when pushed to their limits can and do fail.
Many times additional stress is added to the oil pump by using oil thicker than what is specified by the manufacturer. The oil pump and bearing clearances were not designed from the factory to push oil of higher viscosities. This extra stress on the gears, combined with the above mentioned poor deburring process, can attribute to oil pump failure or engine failure.
Another contributing factor to oil pump failures is the weak cast backing plate of the B16/B18 oil pumps. Simple inspection shows that when compared to an H22 oil pump, a screw is not present in a critical location of the plate in the B series pumps. Compound this with the use of a higher viscosity motor oil and poorly deburred pump components and you have the ingredients for an oil pump failure.
This issue, specific to the Mazda 1.6/1.8L engines, involves the flex of the crankshaft and the lower half of the engine due to the additional stress of a forced induction system (such as a turbo or supercharger). The additional stress produced by forced induction causes flexing of both the block and the crankshaft between the front main bearing and the oil pump. This can also contribute to oil pump failure. Early Miatas were notorious for having crankshaft problems and later models suffered from problems as power is increased significantly.
Lastly, any failure inside a motor, related to aging components or a poor engine rebuild, can cause the oil pump to fail. ANY particles passing through an oil pump design such as that used in the Honda B series engines will cause damage or failure.
Remember that oil pump failures happen regularly on engines using a factory crank pulley. To help combat these failures, a few steps should be taken to help prolong the life of your oil pump and engine:
Unless building a race motor with race clearances in mind, you should always use an oil viscosity matching, or as close to the factory recommendations as possible.
If using a factory oil pump, always have your oil pump components deburred properly. It is recommended you have a competent engine rebuilder handle this.
For those who run dedicated / extreme race vehicles we recommend using an external wet or dry sump oiling system. These systems are designed for the heavy abuse a race engine receives on the track. Remember, the stock oiling systems were designed for factory horsepower levels and can only handle a certain amount of power increase over that level.
Lastly and most obvious, have a competent, trusted machine or performance shop rebuild your precious motor. It only takes one simple mistake to turn a costly engine rebuild into a doorstop.
If you have any other questions about this subject please don't hesitate to give us a call or drop us an e-mail. We take great pride in the craftsmanship of our products and are constantly striving to provide the highest quality products available to you, our customers.
Urban myths have been floating around about Honda oil pumps failing by using an Unorthodox Racing crank pulley/s. The real fact is that these OEM pumps have been failing with AND WITHOUT the use of our pulleys and before our crank pulley/s were available on the market. Also note that these failures are few and far in between.
The Acura/Honda oil pumps are excellent units, but there are a number of reasons for the failures that do occur.
Most of the oil pump failures have been in Acura/Honda B series 1.6/1.8L applications. The Mazda 1.6/1.8L applications have seen a few failures, as well as the new Ford Focus ZETEC in race vehicles. Again, note that on all these applications the oil pump failures have occurred on engines not using our pulley, using the stock crank pulley.
These pump failures can be linked to the following causes. These causes may act individually or in combination to cause the actual failures:
The gears used in many pumps including those in the Honda B series engines and Mazda Miata engines are of a low-cost powdered metal composition. The factory uses this metal because of its acceptable cost-to-strength ratio. The problem is, these parts are not always deburred properly from the factory and when pushed to their limits can and do fail.
Many times additional stress is added to the oil pump by using oil thicker than what is specified by the manufacturer. The oil pump and bearing clearances were not designed from the factory to push oil of higher viscosities. This extra stress on the gears, combined with the above mentioned poor deburring process, can attribute to oil pump failure or engine failure.
Another contributing factor to oil pump failures is the weak cast backing plate of the B16/B18 oil pumps. Simple inspection shows that when compared to an H22 oil pump, a screw is not present in a critical location of the plate in the B series pumps. Compound this with the use of a higher viscosity motor oil and poorly deburred pump components and you have the ingredients for an oil pump failure.
This issue, specific to the Mazda 1.6/1.8L engines, involves the flex of the crankshaft and the lower half of the engine due to the additional stress of a forced induction system (such as a turbo or supercharger). The additional stress produced by forced induction causes flexing of both the block and the crankshaft between the front main bearing and the oil pump. This can also contribute to oil pump failure. Early Miatas were notorious for having crankshaft problems and later models suffered from problems as power is increased significantly.
Lastly, any failure inside a motor, related to aging components or a poor engine rebuild, can cause the oil pump to fail. ANY particles passing through an oil pump design such as that used in the Honda B series engines will cause damage or failure.
Remember that oil pump failures happen regularly on engines using a factory crank pulley. To help combat these failures, a few steps should be taken to help prolong the life of your oil pump and engine:
Unless building a race motor with race clearances in mind, you should always use an oil viscosity matching, or as close to the factory recommendations as possible.
If using a factory oil pump, always have your oil pump components deburred properly. It is recommended you have a competent engine rebuilder handle this.
For those who run dedicated / extreme race vehicles we recommend using an external wet or dry sump oiling system. These systems are designed for the heavy abuse a race engine receives on the track. Remember, the stock oiling systems were designed for factory horsepower levels and can only handle a certain amount of power increase over that level.
Lastly and most obvious, have a competent, trusted machine or performance shop rebuild your precious motor. It only takes one simple mistake to turn a costly engine rebuild into a doorstop.
If you have any other questions about this subject please don't hesitate to give us a call or drop us an e-mail. We take great pride in the craftsmanship of our products and are constantly striving to provide the highest quality products available to you, our customers.
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Вот
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http://images.drom.ru/album_photos/7/6380/69013.jpg
http://images.drom.ru/album_photos/7/6380/69012.jpg
Облегченый шкив для B18C модификации "onli for generator". хэнд-мейд
http://images.drom.ru/album_photos/7/6380/69009.jpg
http://images.drom.ru/album_photos/7/6380/69013.jpg
http://images.drom.ru/album_photos/7/6380/69012.jpg
Облегченый шкив для B18C модификации "onli for generator". хэнд-мейд

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вчера видел для N1 хондовский ,ну тоесть было написано что делает хонда их для гонок N1P.S. писал(а):Вот
http://images.drom.ru/album_photos/7/6380/69009.jpg
http://images.drom.ru/album_photos/7/6380/69013.jpg
http://images.drom.ru/album_photos/7/6380/69012.jpg
Облегченый шкив для B18C модификации "onli for generator". хэнд-мейд
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http://www.passwordjdm.com/product.asp? ... ry=relatedQB21 писал(а):а ссылку на н1? у него наверное тока под генератор есть место? а я пока чёт не горю желанием от гура отказываться. может в будущем.
У меня гдето еще оригинальный партнамбер есть... если нада найду... в Америкосии ... много где продают их...
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JDM ITR SPEC-98 | 402m-14.52sec | I ♥ MY HONDA | валить.
EURO/JDM ATR | H22Power | I ♥ MY HONDA Sedan

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найдиadmin писал(а):http://www.passwordjdm.com/product.asp? ... ry=relatedQB21 писал(а):а ссылку на н1? у него наверное тока под генератор есть место? а я пока чёт не горю желанием от гура отказываться. может в будущем.
У меня гдето еще оригинальный партнамбер есть... если нада найду... в Америкосии ... много где продают их...
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Забыл... там вроде тока на генератор... он идет
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JDM ITR SPEC-98 | 402m-14.52sec | I ♥ MY HONDA | валить.
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только генераторQB21 писал(а):а ссылку на н1? у него наверное тока под генератор есть место? а я пока чёт не горю желанием от гура отказываться. может в будущем.


http://store.autodynamics-honda.com/hopctn1crpu.html
а что это за байда? развод? пишут типо вибрации гасит


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это damper
думаю, что это не развод
думаю, что это не развод
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Competition Clutch/Exedy, Tial, CP Pistons, M-Factory, Ferrea, Rotrex, Garrett.
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Настройка на диностенде Hondata/ UpRev/ UniChip/ ViPec/ AEM. Чип-тюнинг любых ECU
Competition Clutch/Exedy, Tial, CP Pistons, M-Factory, Ferrea, Rotrex, Garrett.
True Zirconia Керамическое напыление выпуска и поршней.
Настройка на диностенде Hondata/ UpRev/ UniChip/ ViPec/ AEM. Чип-тюнинг любых ECU
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