- wasd11
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Материал для шатунов
-какой используют (сталь, алюминий, титан)
- преимушества первого вторгого и третьего
Появилась мысль взять материал из которого делают поршня, а именно кованный алюминий и сделать из него шатун.
-какой используют (сталь, алюминий, титан)
- преимушества первого вторгого и третьего
Появилась мысль взять материал из которого делают поршня, а именно кованный алюминий и сделать из него шатун.
Может просто купить готовый шатун??
- wasd11
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В личку отписал Диме.Butcher писал(а):К Диме обратись, есть возможности сделать шатуны.wasd писал(а):проше конечно, а где продаются шатуны на Н22 на 15мм длиньше стоковых?Филипп писал(а):Может просто купить готовый шатун??
Ну ни как меня не покидает мысль о высоком блоке, длинном шатуне, на дросселях и на турбо... Грызет гадина изнутри, ни чего поделать не могу...
- Mura
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зачем алюминий на наддутый мотор?
ставаят конечно типа топфуел, но на одну гонку
ставаят конечно типа топфуел, но на одну гонку
тюнинг Honda Nissan
Competition Clutch/Exedy, Tial, CP Pistons, M-Factory, Ferrea, Rotrex, Garrett.
True Zirconia Керамическое напыление выпуска и поршней.
Настройка на диностенде Hondata/ UpRev/ UniChip/ ViPec/ AEM. Чип-тюнинг любых ECU
Competition Clutch/Exedy, Tial, CP Pistons, M-Factory, Ferrea, Rotrex, Garrett.
True Zirconia Керамическое напыление выпуска и поршней.
Настройка на диностенде Hondata/ UpRev/ UniChip/ ViPec/ AEM. Чип-тюнинг любых ECU
- wasd11
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не простой а кованный поршя из ниго делают. а если не алюминий тогда что сталь? титан? Каррилло из чего свои делает?Mura писал(а):зачем алюминий на наддутый мотор?
ставаят конечно типа топфуел, но на одну гонку
- wasd11
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Carrillo is acknowledged as the world leader in connecting rods. Thorough research and development of individual engine
applications take into account the engine's architecture and the loads it will see. You will see no ”one size fits all” forgings, which
ultimately add reciprocating weight and stress to the engine. Although other companies have copied the look of a Carrillo Rod, it's
the metallurgy that ultimately determines the strength of the connecting rod.
Carrillo uses proprietary chrome, nickel, moly vanadium alloys purchased in lots of 100 metric tons. This is a custom designed
material meeting all vacuum arc re-melt ASTM standards. The heat is validated, both by the supplier and an independent
metallurgist to confirm the physical and chemical properties of steel. All heat treat processes are via a mar-aged operation resulting
in UTS of 195,000 and a yield of 182,000 while maintaining the critical element of low notch-sensitivity and ductility. All critical CNC
machines at Carrillo or equipped with probing to accurately validate dimensional integrity. Each part is magnafluxed at least twice.
Each piece is Rockwell tested to validate the heat treat.
A final 200% shot-peen operation completes the part. Rod bolts are jointly designed by SPS and Carrillo. H11 tool steel w/220,000
UTS as well as Multi-phase ™ 285,000 UTS are the materials used. Each fastener employs a patented thread design as well as the
highest dimensional integrity in the industry. Each lot is sample tested destructively as well for UTS and Fatigue.
вырезка из каталога висеко.... сталь
applications take into account the engine's architecture and the loads it will see. You will see no ”one size fits all” forgings, which
ultimately add reciprocating weight and stress to the engine. Although other companies have copied the look of a Carrillo Rod, it's
the metallurgy that ultimately determines the strength of the connecting rod.
Carrillo uses proprietary chrome, nickel, moly vanadium alloys purchased in lots of 100 metric tons. This is a custom designed
material meeting all vacuum arc re-melt ASTM standards. The heat is validated, both by the supplier and an independent
metallurgist to confirm the physical and chemical properties of steel. All heat treat processes are via a mar-aged operation resulting
in UTS of 195,000 and a yield of 182,000 while maintaining the critical element of low notch-sensitivity and ductility. All critical CNC
machines at Carrillo or equipped with probing to accurately validate dimensional integrity. Each part is magnafluxed at least twice.
Each piece is Rockwell tested to validate the heat treat.
A final 200% shot-peen operation completes the part. Rod bolts are jointly designed by SPS and Carrillo. H11 tool steel w/220,000
UTS as well as Multi-phase ™ 285,000 UTS are the materials used. Each fastener employs a patented thread design as well as the
highest dimensional integrity in the industry. Each lot is sample tested destructively as well for UTS and Fatigue.
вырезка из каталога висеко.... сталь

- Mura
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и что с этим делать?
тюнинг Honda Nissan
Competition Clutch/Exedy, Tial, CP Pistons, M-Factory, Ferrea, Rotrex, Garrett.
True Zirconia Керамическое напыление выпуска и поршней.
Настройка на диностенде Hondata/ UpRev/ UniChip/ ViPec/ AEM. Чип-тюнинг любых ECU
Competition Clutch/Exedy, Tial, CP Pistons, M-Factory, Ferrea, Rotrex, Garrett.
True Zirconia Керамическое напыление выпуска и поршней.
Настройка на диностенде Hondata/ UpRev/ UniChip/ ViPec/ AEM. Чип-тюнинг любых ECU
- wasd11
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блин расстоили меня
с алюминием говорят гавно полное получается даже на формулах такого нет.
Стальный 12хн3а или титан вт6 1300 бакинских 4шт
еще на его надо напыление делать.
где бы такой татан найти...

Стальный 12хн3а или титан вт6 1300 бакинских 4шт

где бы такой татан найти...
- sjomik
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да без разницы,цена такая што никакова титана не захочется,клапана титановые были по 100 $ за штуку! и они еще без напыления! вобщем титан никак невыгодноmike1 писал(а):Хуясе!!!
Эт что получается, комплект из 4-х шатунов здесь встанет в 100 тыщ рублей???![]()
Кстати, автор интересовался длинными шатунами на H22 а не на B16/18
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А от Х23 не подойдёт чтоль?wasd писал(а):проше конечно, а где продаются шатуны на Н22 на 15мм длиньше стоковых?Филипп писал(а):Может просто купить готовый шатун??
- wasd11
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от Н23 не подойдет, он короче тк ход больше а высота блока одинакова.
вот кое что нашел.
Blocks
Block Type
H22A4 Block = Open Deck
H22A block = Closed Deck
H23A block = Open Deck
H23A1 block = Closed Deck
F22 block = Open Deck
F23 block = Open Deck
F20B block = Open Deck
Deck Height
H22A4 Block = 8.643
H22A block = 8.643
H23A block = 8.643
H23A1 block = 8.643
F22 block = 8.643
F23 block = 8.643
F20B block = 8.643
Bore
H22A4 Block = 87mm/3.425
H22A block = 87mm/3.425
H23A block = 87mm/3.425
H23A1 block = 87mm/3.425
F22 block = 85mm/3.346
F23 block = 86mm/3.385
F20B = 85mm/3.346
Note:
Due to various available piston diameters (A/B) actual bore diameter may vary
Rods
Length
H22A4 = 5.633
H22A = 5.633
H23A = 5.572
H23A1 = 5.572
F22 = 5.572
F23 = 5.551
F20B = 5.709
Width
H22A4 = .935
H22A = .935
H23A = .935
H23A1 = .935
F22 = .935
F23 = .780
F20B = .935
BE Bore
H22A4 = 2.008
H22A = 2.008
H23A = 2.008
H23A1 = 2.008
F22 = 2.008
F23 = 1.890
F20B = 1.890
Pin Bore
H22A4 =
H22A = .8649-.8654
H23A =
H23A1 = .8649-.8654
F22 = .8649-.8654
F23 = .8649-.8654
F20B =
Pistons
Bore
H22A4 = 87mm/3.425
H22A = 87mm/3.425
H23A = 87mm/3.425
H23A1 = 87mm/3.425
F22 = 85mm/3.346
F23 = 86mm/3.385
F20B = 85mm/3.346
Note:
actual diameter may vary depending on code of piston (ie, A B)
Compression Height
H22A4 = 1.221
H22A = 1.221
H23A = 1.203
H23A1 = 1.203
F22A1 = 1.203
F22A4 = 1.203
F23A1 = 1.181
F20B = 1.221
Dome Volume
H22A4 =
H22A =
H23A =
H23A1 =
F22A1 =
F22A4 =
F23A1 =
F23A4 =
F23A5 = -18cc
F20B =
Wrist Pin Diameter
H22A4 = .866
H22A = .866
H23A = .866
H23A1 = .866
F22 = .866
F23 = .866
F20B = .866
Crankshafts
Stroke
H22A4 = 90.7mm/3.570
H22A = 90.7mm/3.570
H23A = 95mm/3.740
H23A1 = 95mm/3.740
F22 = 95mm/3.740
F23 = 97mm/3.818
F20B = 88mm/3.464
Main Journal Diameter
H22A4 = 55mm
H22A4 = 50mm (1997 Only)
H22A = 50mm
H23A = 55mm
H23A1 = 50mm
F22 = 50mm
F23 = 55mm
F20B = 55mm
Rod Journal Diameter
H22A4 = 1.888
H22A = 1.888
H23A = 1.888
H23A1 = 1.888
F22 = 1.888
F23 = 1.771
F20B = 1.771
Cylinder Heads
Combustion Chamber Volume
H22A4 = 53.8cc
H22A = 53.8cc
H23A = 53.8cc
H23A1 = 50cc
F22A1 = 50cc
F22A4 = 50cc
F23A1 = 50cc
F23A4 = 50cc
F23A5 = 50cc
F20B =
Intake Valve Diameter
H22A4 = 35mm
H22A = 35mm
H23A = 35mm
H23A1 = 34mm
F22 = 34mm
F23 = 34mm
F20B = 34mm
Exhaust Valve Diameter
H22A4 = 30mm
H22A = 30mm
H23A = 30mm
H23A1 = 29mm
F22 = 29mm
F23 = 29mm
F20B = 29mm
Head Gaskets
Bore
H22A4 = 88mm
H22A = 88mm
H23A = 88mm
H23A1 = 88mm
F22 = 86mm
F23 = 87mm
F20B = 86mm
Thickness
H22A4 = .026
H22A = .026
H23A = .026
H23A1 = .026
F22 = .026
F23 = .026
F20B = .026
Note:
Gasket thickness measured after crush
Bearings
Main Bearing Thickness
Blue: 2.013 - 2.010mm / 0.0793 - 0.0791
Black: 2.010 - 2.007mm / 0.0791 - 0.0790
Brown: 2.007 - 2.004mm / 0.0790 - 0.0789
Green: 2.004 - 2.001mm / 0.0789 - 0.0788
Yellow: 2.001 - 1.998mm / 0.0788 - 0.0787
Pink: 1.998 - 1.995mm / 0.0787 - 0.0785
Red: 1.995 - 1.992mm / 0.0785 - 0.0783
Rod Bearing Thickness
Blue: 1.510 - 1.507mm / 0.0594 - 0.0593
Black: 1.507 - 1.504mm / 0.0593 - 0.0592
Brown: 1.504 - 1.501mm / 0.0592 - 0.0591
Green: 1.501 - 1.498mm / 0.0591 - 0.0590
Yellow: 1.498 - 1.495mm / 0.0590 - 0.0589
Pink: 1.495 - 1.492mm / 0.0589 - 0.0587
Red: 1.492 - 1.489mm / 0.0587 - 0.0586
Main Bearing Width
H22A4 = .784
H22A = .784
H23A = .784
H23A1 = .784
F22A1 = .784
F22A4= .784
F23A1 = .784
F23A4 = .784
F23A5 = .784
F20B = .784
Rod Bearing Width
H22A4 = .762
H22A = .762
H23A = .762
H23A1 = .762
F22A1 = .762
F22A4 = .762
F23A1 = .609
F23A4 = .609
F23A5 = .609
F20B = .762
взято с http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1232811&page=1
вот кое что нашел.
Blocks
Block Type
H22A4 Block = Open Deck
H22A block = Closed Deck
H23A block = Open Deck
H23A1 block = Closed Deck
F22 block = Open Deck
F23 block = Open Deck
F20B block = Open Deck
Deck Height
H22A4 Block = 8.643
H22A block = 8.643
H23A block = 8.643
H23A1 block = 8.643
F22 block = 8.643
F23 block = 8.643
F20B block = 8.643
Bore
H22A4 Block = 87mm/3.425
H22A block = 87mm/3.425
H23A block = 87mm/3.425
H23A1 block = 87mm/3.425
F22 block = 85mm/3.346
F23 block = 86mm/3.385
F20B = 85mm/3.346
Note:
Due to various available piston diameters (A/B) actual bore diameter may vary
Rods
Length
H22A4 = 5.633
H22A = 5.633
H23A = 5.572
H23A1 = 5.572
F22 = 5.572
F23 = 5.551
F20B = 5.709
Width
H22A4 = .935
H22A = .935
H23A = .935
H23A1 = .935
F22 = .935
F23 = .780
F20B = .935
BE Bore
H22A4 = 2.008
H22A = 2.008
H23A = 2.008
H23A1 = 2.008
F22 = 2.008
F23 = 1.890
F20B = 1.890
Pin Bore
H22A4 =
H22A = .8649-.8654
H23A =
H23A1 = .8649-.8654
F22 = .8649-.8654
F23 = .8649-.8654
F20B =
Pistons
Bore
H22A4 = 87mm/3.425
H22A = 87mm/3.425
H23A = 87mm/3.425
H23A1 = 87mm/3.425
F22 = 85mm/3.346
F23 = 86mm/3.385
F20B = 85mm/3.346
Note:
actual diameter may vary depending on code of piston (ie, A B)
Compression Height
H22A4 = 1.221
H22A = 1.221
H23A = 1.203
H23A1 = 1.203
F22A1 = 1.203
F22A4 = 1.203
F23A1 = 1.181
F20B = 1.221
Dome Volume
H22A4 =
H22A =
H23A =
H23A1 =
F22A1 =
F22A4 =
F23A1 =
F23A4 =
F23A5 = -18cc
F20B =
Wrist Pin Diameter
H22A4 = .866
H22A = .866
H23A = .866
H23A1 = .866
F22 = .866
F23 = .866
F20B = .866
Crankshafts
Stroke
H22A4 = 90.7mm/3.570
H22A = 90.7mm/3.570
H23A = 95mm/3.740
H23A1 = 95mm/3.740
F22 = 95mm/3.740
F23 = 97mm/3.818
F20B = 88mm/3.464
Main Journal Diameter
H22A4 = 55mm
H22A4 = 50mm (1997 Only)
H22A = 50mm
H23A = 55mm
H23A1 = 50mm
F22 = 50mm
F23 = 55mm
F20B = 55mm
Rod Journal Diameter
H22A4 = 1.888
H22A = 1.888
H23A = 1.888
H23A1 = 1.888
F22 = 1.888
F23 = 1.771
F20B = 1.771
Cylinder Heads
Combustion Chamber Volume
H22A4 = 53.8cc
H22A = 53.8cc
H23A = 53.8cc
H23A1 = 50cc
F22A1 = 50cc
F22A4 = 50cc
F23A1 = 50cc
F23A4 = 50cc
F23A5 = 50cc
F20B =
Intake Valve Diameter
H22A4 = 35mm
H22A = 35mm
H23A = 35mm
H23A1 = 34mm
F22 = 34mm
F23 = 34mm
F20B = 34mm
Exhaust Valve Diameter
H22A4 = 30mm
H22A = 30mm
H23A = 30mm
H23A1 = 29mm
F22 = 29mm
F23 = 29mm
F20B = 29mm
Head Gaskets
Bore
H22A4 = 88mm
H22A = 88mm
H23A = 88mm
H23A1 = 88mm
F22 = 86mm
F23 = 87mm
F20B = 86mm
Thickness
H22A4 = .026
H22A = .026
H23A = .026
H23A1 = .026
F22 = .026
F23 = .026
F20B = .026
Note:
Gasket thickness measured after crush
Bearings
Main Bearing Thickness
Blue: 2.013 - 2.010mm / 0.0793 - 0.0791
Black: 2.010 - 2.007mm / 0.0791 - 0.0790
Brown: 2.007 - 2.004mm / 0.0790 - 0.0789
Green: 2.004 - 2.001mm / 0.0789 - 0.0788
Yellow: 2.001 - 1.998mm / 0.0788 - 0.0787
Pink: 1.998 - 1.995mm / 0.0787 - 0.0785
Red: 1.995 - 1.992mm / 0.0785 - 0.0783
Rod Bearing Thickness
Blue: 1.510 - 1.507mm / 0.0594 - 0.0593
Black: 1.507 - 1.504mm / 0.0593 - 0.0592
Brown: 1.504 - 1.501mm / 0.0592 - 0.0591
Green: 1.501 - 1.498mm / 0.0591 - 0.0590
Yellow: 1.498 - 1.495mm / 0.0590 - 0.0589
Pink: 1.495 - 1.492mm / 0.0589 - 0.0587
Red: 1.492 - 1.489mm / 0.0587 - 0.0586
Main Bearing Width
H22A4 = .784
H22A = .784
H23A = .784
H23A1 = .784
F22A1 = .784
F22A4= .784
F23A1 = .784
F23A4 = .784
F23A5 = .784
F20B = .784
Rod Bearing Width
H22A4 = .762
H22A = .762
H23A = .762
H23A1 = .762
F22A1 = .762
F22A4 = .762
F23A1 = .609
F23A4 = .609
F23A5 = .609
F20B = .762
взято с http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1232811&page=1
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